This will rile some: 2 elder boys blindsiding & punching boy unconscious is 'normal' assault, unpunishible. What if Stephen had been a girl?
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) August 7, 2014
@MarkHubbard33 What would Judge Helen Winkleman's sentence have been in that case?
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) August 7, 2014
Continuing the depressing news this Thursday evening, what followed on TV 1 news was the repulsive glorification of a biker gangster’s violent death and funeral; the glorification for the only reason that he was dating a celebrity. The whole piece imaging for the young a false heroism of gang life, where in reality it is a dead end life of violent, organised crime; a culture of violence, indeed, of the like that was responsible for stopping the broken heart of Stephen Dudley. The country hit a new low point for me tonight.
Update 1:
Four further points:
a) I have just listened to a lawyer on RNZ justify J. Winkelmann's position that this was a school yard fight in the moderate range of such fights. I don't accept this. A fight is when two individuals knowingly square off against one another, and thus can defend themselves from punches. According to various reports, Stephen did not want a fight, and did not know a fight was coming to him. The older brother had come in from the side and king hit him in the neck. It was not a fight, but a vicious attack against which Stephen had no chance to defend himself; he was never able to even lay a single punch.
b) In Australia, just that original king hit - forget the punches that continued to fall afterwards - was a criminal act, punishable, for adults, with a four year sentence. Ninety individuals have died in Australia since 2004 from king hits. When you throw a punch like that at an unsuspecting person's head/neck area you are always going to cause great harm, with death a possibility, and certainly permanent brain damage.
c) In my mind a criminal justice system is not concerned, in this case, with the welfare of the assailant. It is the role of criminal justice to punish the initiation of force/violence, and create the precedents that protect the innocent from the future use of such violence. With the assailant here suffering no conviction - noting you can have restorative justice, I'm just talking about the legal conviction on one's record - thus a clean slate and a future unhindered by his crime, there is no precedent set to put the consequences of uncontrolled actions or anger into a context for teens to make them think and modify their behaviour. I do not accept that we are animals who work off blind, uncontrollable rage: we all have choices in cases like this, but for some they will change their behaviour only where they understand from historical precedent there are long term legal consequences for resorting to this type of instant extreme violence, that is becoming the norm not the exception. J. Winkelmann is wrong in every respect with this decision, but not just the Judge, our law itself.
d) I wrote the above post in anger on the decision being delivered yesterday, without reading the full decision. On reading it, no important principle espoused changes for me, though I have corrected some of the facts regarding age, etc. I also understand how in many ways Judge Winkelmann's hands were tied by deficient law in her decision, however, my beef is in her judgement that this was normal schoolyard brawling - it wasn't - and thus to enter no conviction on record. If you want to compare what I have written against J. Winkelmann's decision it can be read here: click on High Court decisions R V. M.
Mark, I'm sure you thoughts about judge Winkelmann's manifestly inadequate response is reflected in the hearts and minds of most New Zealanders today.
ReplyDeleteDidn't know you went to Lincoln High - I was there a decade before you. Those were probably my initials carved on your desk. ;-)
What part of the countryside did you hail from?
DeleteBroadfields
DeleteJeez, half the people you know, I probably know :)
DeleteSo where were you living at the time of your HS education?
DeleteGreenpark.
DeleteYes reasonably close. We played rugby against greenpark primary school. Used to thrash you from memory, but I could just be making that up. :-)
DeleteDoes this mean I can punch Winkelman in the neck, render her senseless, continue the attack and get off scotfree because I too have very good prospects for the future?
ReplyDeletePunch her? She should be put in prison.
DeletePublish your name and make that comment buddy
DeleteI reckon you're all way off track on this thread :)
DeleteThis ruling is made even worse by the full rationale released today. Judge Winkelman seems to be telling us that violence in or around school activities is acceptable. Rubbish lady - assault is assault no matter where it happens. Talk about mixed messages when we see excellent campaigns against domestic violence and how society should not be turning a blind eye when we see it BUT this Judge says throwing king hit punches to the neck and more is just normal school yard violence. We must find a way to challenge this disturbing precedent. It is so wrong on so many levels.
ReplyDeleteYes, this is the principle I think she has got so wrong by entering no conviction.
DeleteIn the late 80s i was at school in chch. i got beaten up, called police, they arrested the 16 year old, he went to court, was charged with assault and fined $1500. half of which went to me. When i went to the bank to deposit the cheque, my attacker was writing out a withdrawal slip at one of the small leaner desks the bank had for people to use. so i went to the leaner desk thing next to him and happily filled in the deposit slip. he always kept clear of me after that and everyone else found out too so i never had anymore problems with anyone. In stephen dudleys instance i dont believe the judges hands were tied at all. I have read the full decision and there was nothing from stopping her from imposing a fine or community service.I have sent an email to the human rights commission and to unicef and the office of the high commissioner for human rights overseas noting my disgust at this failure of the justice system to protect children.
ReplyDeleteIt's great when people speak out. I'd love it if you posted the response you get. Just add as a comment to this thread if you get a chance.
DeleteAnd yes, at the very least, as well as the conviction which should have been a given, Judge Winkelmann could've imposed community service, and if for no other purpose than a solidarity with the Dudley family, that Stephen's 'killing' had a price, and so his life value.
If the father of the Dudley family decided to mete out his own justice on the attackers (or on Judge Winkelmann), *who* could blame him? I wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteIf he did so (and I were on the jury in his case), I would *refuse* to convict him. More than that - I would recommend him for a *medal*.
The judiciary in this country sicken me beyond words.
I hope that Judge Winkelmann suffers some appalling misfortune in her life so that (when it becomes public knowledge) she will then understand what it is like to be on the receiving end and we can at least take some measure of much-deserved schadenfreude at her misfortune.
No Thor, I *don't* hope Judge Winkelmann 'suffers some appalling misfortune' but she did get this badly wrong and it's important we know why, and that police legal appeal the sentencing.
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