Pickett: inequality wastes potential talent in society #theNation
— CarrieStoddart-Smith (@Ellipsister) May 23, 2014
@TVHE i presume econ inequal, but they weren't explicit in saying that. They seem to use it generally or interchangeably with other kinds
— CarrieStoddart-Smith (@Ellipsister) May 23, 2014
@Ellipsister "inequality" is meaningless unless it is defined. We are talking about individuals with agency, not the transmittion of a virus
— TVHE (@TVHE) May 23, 2014
And is inequality rising in New Zealand? @suemoroney and @ColinCraigNZ weigh in.
— The Nation (@TheNationTV3) May 23, 2014
@althecat @TheNationTV3 @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell "Inequality" is utterly irrelevant. Argument of leftists fomenting class warfare.
— The Gantt Guy (@TheGanttGuy) May 23, 2014
@TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell It's not worth asking why the top 10% of NZers earn six times bottom 10%?
— The Nation (@TheNationTV3) May 23, 2014
@TheNationTV3 @TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell Utter envy ridden nonsense. Bottom10% pay NO net tax, top pay majority 1/2
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
@TheNationTV3 @TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell ... of tax take. And how do top earners stop bottom 10% from earning?
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
@TheNationTV3 @TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell If I create $3 million wealth, how does that stop less wealthy doing so?1/2
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
@TheNationTV3 @TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell There is no link between someone being wealthy, and someone not being so.
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
@MarkHubbard33 @TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell Watch and find out.
— The Nation (@TheNationTV3) May 23, 2014
@TheNationTV3 @TheGanttGuy @althecat @ColinCraigNZ @BenUffindell No. The spirit level leans only into a massive state for no purpose.
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
Why @CactusKate2 are you hell bent on painting a -ve image of me. Don't your arguments stack up on their own merits. @StuTasmantuna
— Selwyn Pellett (@SelwynPellett) May 23, 2014
@SelwynPellett How does u being worth, say, $10 million, stop me creating that wealth for myself, Selwyn? CactusKate2 @StuTasmantuna
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
If @MarkHubbard33 I created my wealth by speculating on property with zero employment then id understand some of this shit.
— Selwyn Pellett (@SelwynPellett) May 23, 2014
But @MarkHubbard33 I created my $ from (endace) designing, manufacturing, employing and exporting while paying tax.
— Selwyn Pellett (@SelwynPellett) May 23, 2014
@SelwynPellett Answer my question. Is you being well off linked to someone not being well off? What is that link? If none, then y tax?
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
Tax isn't an absolute number @MarkHubbard33 its the number you vote for in the services you expect from govt you elect.
— Selwyn Pellett (@SelwynPellett) May 23, 2014
@SelwynPellett I don't want services from govt because the trade off with my liberty, & our economic prosperity, is destroying a Free West.
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
Wow landed for a few hours & beaten up for most of it on twitter. Seems CGT has "entitled tax set" nervous.
— Selwyn Pellett (@SelwynPellett) May 23, 2014
@SelwynPellett Well you did try and engage in Twitter debate with someone who believes tax is destroying Western society. #BrickWall
— Bruce Buckman (@BruceBuckman) May 23, 2014
@BruceBuckman Has. Has destroyed. We have global surveillance state via FATCA beyond Orwellian. NSA r nothing @vincristine @SelwynPellett
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
@MarkHubbard33 @BruceBuckman @SelwynPellett oh right, of course, yeah. And all because Paying Taxes
— Vincristine (@vincristine) May 23, 2014
@vincristine @BruceBuckman @SelwynPellett Yes. No freedom without privacy. The tax state is the Left's contradiction http://t.co/8ZRkBw1Utw
— Mark Hubbard (@MarkHubbard33) May 23, 2014
Before advocating legalised theft of other peoples' efforts, go rent a movie called The Lives of Others, and see if you really want to live in the world you'd have us all inhabit, Mr Little. Because that world ends in this:
"One point about Selwyn's statement that he made his money from designing, manufacturing and employing. Yes, by increasing his earnings and capital, so he created opportunities for all the employees of his company. That is true wealth creation and a prosperous society. "
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, and no one in a liberal democratic democracy like New Zealand is impoverished by the risk taking weath creation activities of others, as you rightly point out.
Most of the economic inequality in New Zealand is born by solo parents living off the welfare state. The increase in economic inequality has been the growth in uptake of this option in recent decades.
This is the elephant in the room that the left refuses to acknowlege or discuss.
We agree on this one :)
DeleteIncome Inequality is an issue how ever the understanding on what causes it and how to stop it is lacking. It is far more complex than the simple Liberal complaint and the solution isn't simple ether as using Free Market Capitalist principles that are now becoming irrelevant because of a collaborative economy that is eating capitalism as we speak and cheaper technology driving down marginal costs of production increasing unemployment in the process.
ReplyDeleteThe problem of inequality is not the 1% having more wealth than the 99% total combined. The problem of inequality is because of the wealthy having the capital to build and operate the means of production this i have to say 'IS' their 'right'. The capitalist system we are running with is a system that is always looking for the most cost effective method of production. These methods are Worker exploitation (China+Apple), Automation (Robotics,Computer ICT) & shifting manufacturing to locations with Low taxes and cheap labour.
All of these have the effect of causing unemployment to rise and for wealth to bleed out of a nations economy as workers are now competing for jobs local businesses can now take advantage of low wage part time workers without having to worry about loosing workers to competitors with higher wages. So lower wages are leading to inequality in how much savings the poor, middle & upper classes have.
The Liberal solution is to tax the rich and give to the poor which I agree is theft. Liberals forget that they are buying inequality by buying from the rich eg that iPhone or iPad that they love to hypocritically love to tweet from. sorry just had to get that out there.
The other solution that keeps popping up is that people need to be more entrepreneurial and innovative which is total bullsh*t with the entrenched monopolies that we have making it imposable to compete with a company that has a bigger financial base than an individual with a small start up not to mention that the entrenched company will use PR to sway customers away from the start up with "We have more experience" or "We can provide better support for our product" even though the smaller start up can provide better one on one support for far less.
This is more of a complaint about the consumer culture (Flock of dumb sheep) how ever this complaint can go into the IP/Copyright fortress that are used to extract wealth out of those that work for there wealth with out really innovating the IP or using IP & Copyright to attack competition to maintain market dominance while not innovating there product and charging a high price for it.
To counter inequality with out needless taxation is to form cooperatives as the means of production is owned by the workers so the wealth generated remains in the poor and middle classes keeping inequality down while providing the financial base to compete with the large private corporations and to prevent market monopolization and protect competition remove Artificial Property rights and replace them with a law that protects the idea, innovation or invention form exploitation of secrete sourcing this will lead to greater collaborative innovation as we have seen in free & open source software, open source ecology and the innovation of the bicycle into a mountain bike.
Now we are getting into a Free Market Collaborative Commons. A Tax free Liberty based society with out big governments or big corporations with a strong social glue and no inequality.
Right, big comment. Have found it Saturday night after too many martinis :)
DeleteNelson tomorrow(delayed by today's storm), so will reply next week.
Cheers for the time you put into this.