tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post6000901704606893971..comments2024-03-21T20:29:29.030+13:00Comments on Life Behind the <u>IR</u>on <u>D</u>rape: Paris Has Changed Me – Logic Bombing the Left on Multiculturalism.Mark Hubbardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-5766795036039473972015-11-21T20:15:14.044+13:002015-11-21T20:15:14.044+13:00Great discussion above everyone. Thanks. I should ...Great discussion above everyone. Thanks. I should be participating, but work overoad and stress just at the moment :)Mark Hubbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02541153163041831880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-89697175259060712752015-11-21T19:46:23.102+13:002015-11-21T19:46:23.102+13:00Brendan, I agree Saudi Arabia etc. don't share...Brendan, I agree Saudi Arabia etc. don't share those values. I believe most people do. The problem is that how individuals think and behave and how groups think and behave is different. When I was working in Cambodia it was a delight to see how the people I worked with had overcome and forgiven the atrocities of only a few years past - and alarming at the same time to think it was probably people just like them that were committing the atrocities. A bit like grashoppers and locusts maybe. Having postulated that grashoppers only become locusts as a result of external stimulus, I don't deny that we have to address the problem of the locusts. But to do so we do need to understand the motivation. davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00312282243883488495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-58830310705623838492015-11-21T13:10:33.326+13:002015-11-21T13:10:33.326+13:00" Islam IS harm. Islam at a fundamental level..." Islam IS harm. Islam at a fundamental level is encoded to harm within the very text of it." <br /><br />Yes, it is. <br /><br />Anyway - **good on you**, Mark! <br />It takes *balls* to do what you have done and so big kudos to you! <br /><br />As a little "gift" from me, here are several links to an *excellent* article by Dr. Bill Warner (appropriate name... ) called "Factual Persuasion" - <br /><br />The introduction - <br />http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Factual_Persuasion_-_The_Confusion_of_Islam<br /><br />The next is about "Official Islam" - this is not the real Islam but the sanitised fairytale unicorns-flying-over-rainbows version that our PM, MPs and leftists believe - <br />http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Factual_Persuasion_-_Official_Islam<br /><br />And here is a link from the same article that refutes it - <br />http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Factual_Persuasion_-_Refuting_Official_Islam<br /><br />Cheers...... tranquilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-39912832437214254132015-11-20T22:56:35.960+13:002015-11-20T22:56:35.960+13:00David, after the Paris atrocities, Obama talked ab...David, after the Paris atrocities, Obama talked about it being 'an attack on the values we all share' - but we don't all share the values of liberal western pluralistic democracies do we? <br /><br />Saudi Arabia doesn't share those values, Pakistan doesn't share those values, Iran doesn't share those values.<br /><br />Sadly not all subscribe to Galatians 6:10, and believing they do is a delusion unique to the liberal western mind.<br /><br />We need to get over ourselves, and start to view the world as it is, and not as we would like it to be.<br /><br />Obama believes that denying present reality and maintaining the progressive liberal narrative will eventually create a new reality. <br /><br />Would you stake your grandchildren's future on that expectation?<br /><br /> Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-74861837833440745552015-11-20T19:58:36.952+13:002015-11-20T19:58:36.952+13:00Maybe you can, but I don't think anyone from o...Maybe you can, but I don't think anyone from outside the region will. And you would still have Birmingham to contend with.davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00312282243883488495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-69340200357080833122015-11-20T19:41:24.072+13:002015-11-20T19:41:24.072+13:00We can even disagree on what is the best way to co...<i> We can even disagree on what is the best way to confront Islamic State</i><br /><br />Nope- we can just nuke them and the rest of the middle east into gently glowing glass.<br /><br />US Troop casualties: zero. Andrew Berwicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-75698252174150303022015-11-20T17:56:59.201+13:002015-11-20T17:56:59.201+13:00I don’t know what to believe. Do you read Hornber...I don’t know what to believe. Do you read Hornberger http://fff.org/2015/11/17/here-they-go-again/<br /><br />He does a good job of expressing the view that terrorism is a response to actions by the west. Its all very well to say that 911 took place a year and a half before US invaded Iraq – the US was meddling in the middle east well before 911. <br /><br />Humans are similar the world over. I spent three years in the middle east, I was living in Pakistan till recently and I am currently in Viet Nam. The people you meet every day, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, almost all would subscribe to Galatians 6:10. America is Viet Nam's biggest trading partner. Think about that. <br /><br />I thought too that Islam is the problem. But thinking about what Hornberger says (and I don't agree with all of it but the idea of generating conflict overseas to maintain power at home is not new) led me to wonder whether that line of thought was helpful. <br /><br />We have difficulty understanding the motivation for terrorism. What was gained by the Paris attacks? But we have to demystify the problem before we can solve it. In the history of human conflict the range of motivations is surprisingly small. Using brainwashed suicide soldiers is not a new technique, nor is using guerrilla techniques when confronted with an enemy with greater firepower. I don’t think treating Islam as the enemy will get us anywhere. Islam is the tool used by our enemy. I think we need to look for simple motivations for this war and accept the possibility that ours were not always the most honourable. davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00312282243883488495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-34742761442339680752015-11-20T12:49:03.994+13:002015-11-20T12:49:03.994+13:00Hi Mark
It takes courage to change views that wer...Hi Mark<br /><br />It takes courage to change views that were once sincerely held. I deeply respect that. Obviously I'm delighted that we are moving closer to the same page on this issue in particular, albeit like everyone I'm distressed at the reasons behind it.<br /><br />I have some good news. You wrote: "The free, peaceable and pluralistic society can only exist where those individuals it consists of, and thus their belief systems, have as their central tenet, do no harm."<br /><br />'Do no harm' is the minimum expectation we must have of each other as individuals, and the absolute limitation we must place upon the collective actions of the State.<br /><br />Christians however are encouraged to go one step beyond the passive 'do no harm' and to engage in proactively doing good for our neighbour:<br /><br />"As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men." Galatians 6:10.<br /><br />Proactively 'doing good' for our neighbour without expectation of reward has produced the kind of culture we enjoy daily throughout the Western world and that we so often take for granted. Hopefully after Paris, not any more.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Brendan McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741263914308842497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560636882691523439.post-45980466601526771462015-11-20T12:33:11.701+13:002015-11-20T12:33:11.701+13:00"... yet another hell on earth created by rel..."... yet another hell on earth created by religion..."<br /><br />I'm sick of pointing out that the problem is one religion which clearly states it tolerates no rival, has a political solution for everything and will create its paradise at the point of a gun. The problem is Islam. I çare about the shambles it creates because it poisons existing tolerant cultures anywhere it goes and becomes big enough to flex its muscles. <br /><br />3:16Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com